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Post by stoptheworld on Apr 9, 2010 11:16:26 GMT -5
So okay, we thought we'd have the album in our hands soon; it sounded like they were so close to the finish line. But then we started noticing how the release date kept getting pushed back. We then found out they were actually going back to the studio to do some tweaking, which we now know translates to having to redo a huge chunk of the album (so it seems). This change in plans has been attributed to many different things by the people involved (the band, the label, etc.) and while we don't exactly know what went wrong and why this happened, the admins on this board thought it would be nice to get a healthy discussion on this going and to see what everyone here thinks. So, feel free to jump in, speak your mind, and contribute to the discussion but remember to keep things civil and respectful (we don't wanna suck the fun out of this  ). Take it away, guys! Initial discussion points:Did you feel that a redoing of the album was in order or necessary? What do you think could have prompted this? Plain WBR directive or change in creative direction by the band, etc.? |
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Post by Esther on Apr 9, 2010 11:41:53 GMT -5
Did you feel that a redoing of the album was in order or necessary?Yes I do.. I mean, the band obviously thought it was necessary to go back into the studio and judging from well.. everything I know I can trust them to know what the best thing is! And it seems that they thought redoing a lot of it was the best thing. So I'm just gonna go with them on this  (besides, I could be pissed that they're doing this, but that's not gonna change anything anyway) What do you think could have prompted this? Plain WBR directive or change in creative direction by the band, etc.?I like blaming Warner for this, so I will do that (a little bit). I don't really like how the music industry is about 'selling your music' these days. What I mean is: Warner really only cares about getting as much money from the Goo's as possible, so they want an album that will sound good on the radio etc. But this could be different from what the Goo's want from this album themselves... And apparently Warner didn't think it was radioproof or whatever and sent them back into the studio. But at the same time I also think that the Goo's weren't entirely happy with the album either, because if they were and Warner told them to go back they could have just told them to go fuck themselves ;D but they didn't. (this could obviously also be because they don't wanna lose Warner lol) And John of course told us that it didn't work.... so in conclusion: both the Goo's and Warner.
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Post by TuckedAway on Apr 9, 2010 18:56:37 GMT -5
Brigii, love, I thank you for making this thread. Mwah!
It was mentioned on IM that the tour might've been a sort-of way out for them... and this seems to be supported by that one set of tweets of John's about artistic suicide/go on tour, etc... and out of all this mess of why this and why that... what's grabbed my attention the most, as this project's become a revolving door for producers, is that Cavallo popped back in, after Goo bitching about DUTG and GF (down the line) and losing creative control.... they end up back in those very hands. so, maybe they really just want it to be done, and are using the tour as a crutch or maybe not... idk...
but that whole.... scene.... is what's piqued my interest the most -- Cavallo comin' 'round... being such a big shot at Warner and all, now....
....hell
maybe it was punishment for them choosing Ball-of-Lard last time. *evil*
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Post by Esther on Apr 10, 2010 7:16:05 GMT -5
What I just remember is that Palmer said something about the last few albums not being good enough (something like that, right?) (I'm gonna guess here that he meant GF and LLI) Maybe Goo didn't agree with him and didn't like what he did with the album... and hired Cavallo instead to make it sound better?
or is this too far-fetched? ;D
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Post by stoptheworld on Apr 10, 2010 8:04:46 GMT -5
That could be plausible, except that well, if they really wanted Cavallo in on this, they would've brought him in themselves earlier on in the process, don't you think?. I mean, there's a reason they chose Palmer. And maybe it's just me but somehow I just get the feeling Cavallo's being.. idk, shoved down their throats? Lol. But then again, to be fair, they've brought in a few other producers. I also wonder if every artist's work at Warner has to get the Cavallo seal of approval---he is, after all, their chief guy. But don't get me wrong--I respect the guy and his work on DUTG and GF and am hopeful that he will do a good job on this album.
Also, if it's a production issue, and if it's common practice for Warner to call the shots on this, why hasn't it called the band out on the shitty production on LLI? Hm.
And oh my god, they keep coming back to the studio, even if mixing's already supposed to be done and the tour has started. What gives?
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Post by TuckedAway on Apr 10, 2010 19:49:05 GMT -5
See, I can't help to imagine that... for whatever reason, Goo wasn't exactly happy with whatever Palmer was doing, and either asked Palmer to go, or it was so apparent that Palmer stepped out... Either way, with him gone, Goo starts bringing in others, and maybe WBR notices what's up.... and THEN Cavallo steps in. (One of the big wigs and all, etc...)
So, Brigii, love, I'm kinda with you on this... at least, I'm somewhat wondering if Cavallo's addition to the mix was entirely a Gooey decision or not... We'll prolly never know.
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). Take it away, guys!
(besides, I could be pissed that they're doing this, but that's not gonna change anything anyway)
